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and i'm glad to be back. >> the one thing -- i know you have to get on with your show, everyone was asking me on twitter, you said on your tweet you were coming back with a heavy heart, what did you mean by that? >> well, i think i feel guilty leaving, frankly, any of us who were reporting there want to stay there, but it was a difficult situation to continue reporting the way i'd like to. i'd like to go back soon, i hope i can. we'll be covering it tonight for the full hour because we want to keep devoting time to it. it's a matter of life and death, and it's still happening. >> thanks very much, anderson. >> good evening, everyone, we are devoting the entire hour tonight to what's happening right now in egypt, because it is a matter of life and death. this is what liberation square looks like tonight. anti-mubarak protesters still occupying it. surrounded by soldiers, they are refusing to leave, they are standing their ground. in some ways it's more dangerous right now for those protesters, because as reporters leave and
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the world turns its attention elsewhere, they become more vulnerable. more easy to arrest, more easy to torture, more easy to kill. in a few moments we're going to show you a full video of a single peaceful protester being shot to death before your eyes. he wasn't holding a gun or hurling any rocks. egyptian police shot him dead. nearly 300 people have been killed in the last 14 days, most of them not videotaped, their deaths not recorded. according to "the wall street journal" 1,300 people have been injured. some have been released, others still held, and we don't know where or what's being done to them. according to some "new york times" personnel that were held by the secret police a few days ago, they could hear captured egyptians being beaten, tortured, crying out in pain. that is the truth of the mubarak regime. they have blood on their hands.
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the question tonight, are they really going to change for themselves? you'll hear from our reporters on the ground in a moment. also in washington, we'll talk to mohammed el baradei, a leading opposition figure. we begin tonight as always keeping them honest. we begin by focusing on the lies the egyptian government continues to tell. i know lies is a strong word, it's one we rarely use. we can't think of another word right now to describe what the egyptian government has been saying, what they've been saying is the direct opposite of what they've been doing. the lies go back years, decades, of course. we want to focus on some of the ones we've heard in the last few days. the new vice president of egypt this man, omar suleiman has for years been mubarak's closest henchman, running his intelligence service. he says his government has accepted many of the protester's complaints. while he was saying that, literally while his lips were moving and saying that on egyptian television and abc news, his secret police were still arresting opposition figures. thugs burst into the offices of human rights organizations, trashing the places, arresting a
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number of human rights monitors. and there's been absolutely no transparency about what the egyptian government is doing right now, other than a few awkward photo ops on egyptian controlled television. the egyptian government has denied any involvement in these kind of attacks by mobs on peaceful demonstrators and reporters, they have no idea how these things happened. but the egyptian military stood there and let it happen. i saw that with my own eyes, we all saw that. when they realized the protesters could not be beaten back by mobs and the reporters would continue working, the military suddenly stepped in. and with a few rolls of wire and a few shots in the air, they suddenly were able to keep the mobs at bay. the egyptian government says the military didn't want to choose sides but the truth is, they did choose sides. they searched peaceful demonstrators entering liberation square for days, but made no efforts to search pro- mubarak mobs as they descended on liberation square. even while the government was insisting the journalists will welcome to report freely in egypt, at the end of last week, we had now learned that 26 journalists had been detained
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since the end of last week, since last friday. 71 since the protests began, and those are just the ones they could count. how could a regime that's operated under emergency powers for 30 years be expected to suddenly transition to democracy and act with transparency? those emergency powers allow the egyptian government to arrest anyone they want at any time. take a look at what happened when candy crowley pressed egypt's prime minister about this yesterday on cnn. >> mr. vice president, our reporters on the scene in cairo tell us that while you negotiate about a democratic process, there are still arrests of local and international human rights activists as well as journalists. why are you arresting them? >> i didn't understand you. >> we are told that you are arresting human rights activists and journalists, why? >> i don't hear -- >> suddenly sound problems developed, he couldn't hear.
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a few moments later, she tried again. >> let me ask you about arrests by the military police. why are they arresting -- arrests. >> about? >> about the detention of human rights activists, why are you detaining them? >> frankly speaking, it's not intended at all, my dear. >> it's not intended at all, my dear. that was his answer, finally. this is a police state. some estimates say there are more than 1.5 million people employed of the feared interior ministry, secret police. the man who oversaw the intelligence services is now the vice president of egypt. it's not intended at all? thursday while the egyptian government was talking about reaching out to other leaders, nine young dissidents had a meeting with mohammed el bar rah die.
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that evening, all nine were rounded up and detained. i spoke with mr. el baradei earlier today. should people believe anything that the mubarak regime is saying publicly? it seems to me over the last several days, they've made a number of public statements, that when you actually look at their actions and what they're doing behind the scenes show those statements to be false. they say they're for oppressed freedom and yet there was an orchestrated attack on the media. they say they had no control over the people attacking the anti-mubarak demonstrators in the square, and yet as soon as there was too much international attention, those attacks stopped. should people believe this regime? >> anderson, i don't think they have an iota of credibility right now. and what they say is one thing, what they do is completely the other. they have attacked foreign journalists, they have detained young demonstrators. i give you just one perfect example. people last thursday came from
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the tahrir square to meet with me. and these were cardiologists, lawyers, engineers. nine of them got detained the same day that the vice president said they were releasing all the demonstrators. they were kept for a couple days, blindfolded and i had to make that public everywhere, kicking and screaming, if you like, until they got released yesterday. there is nothing they are doing that's lending them any sense of credibility. you can't really make the transition through the outgoing regime, through a regime that is basically adopting a military approach to democracy. what we need is right now to have a national coalition government that takes over, that is representative of that peaceful resolution, and they are the one that should make the change. >> even though now there seems to be more security on the ground for the anti-mubarak
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protesters in the square. it seems do me that could change at a moment's notice. we've seen the military come and go for reasons that are completely unknown to anybody other than the military and the mubarak regime, if those protesters were to leave the square, they could be picked off one by one over time by the secret police who we know routinely torture and have all sorts of illegal detentions. >> correct. and all the guys young and old are aware of that. they are -- there is no way that they are leaving the square. the army tried a couple times to -- tried to go through them through tanks, but they made a human shield. nobody is going to leave the square, anderson, i can tell you that. >> thank you, dr. el baradei, i appreciate your time. >> thank you very much, anderson. >> mohammed elbaradei, i spoke
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to him earlier. joining me now fouad ajami. have you heard -- i mean, it seems to me we're just hearing lies from the egyptian government. you have suleiman going on television saying we're transitioning to democracy. and yet at the same time, you have thugs still arresting people. >> we should be under no illusions about omar suleiman. he's mubarak's man. they have put forward the front of the regime because they basic -- the man of the regime, the man of the regime -- this is an authoritarian state, it's been an authoritarian state. that's the only game it knows, when an american envoy goes to egypt and says mubarak should be given the right to write his own legacy, to determine his own legacy, this is the legacy of this regime. this is what this regime knows, and we've ridden this roller
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coaster. a dose of repression and a dose of negotiations. one face of the regime one day, and another face of the regime the next day. >> the secret police are all still there, correct? there's no talk of eliminating them or lifting the state of emergency which allows them to arrest people whenever they want? >> certainly there's no talk, anderson, from the side of the government, although obviously, that is -- those are some of the demands being put forth by the protesters, but in fact the regime as opposed to president mubarak is still very much in place. in fact, today i spoke to one analyst in cairo. he said, effectively we've already entered the post mubarak era. that omar suleiman is the strong man, he's in control of the apparatus of the state, whether that be the police, the intelligence services, and the army. that really the only thing that is changing is mubarak is being gradually phased out of the picture. gradually stripped of his real
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presidential executive powers, and we just have a new strong man in his place. >> ivan, the situation in the square is what, now? >> well, the interesting change we're seeing is that -- whereas before all these demonstrators were preparing for battle against the pro-mubarak thugs, now they've shifted their tactics and they're focusing on this potentially much more deadly threat, which is the military itself. you see columns of egyptian soldiers in full riot gear, periodically marching in front of the barricades, a definite show of force, demonstrators are sitting -- not behind the barricades hiding from rocks, now they're in front of them, as we speak, sitting cross-legged in front of camp fires, huddled in the cold. they've formed this human chain, knowing they're going to lay their lives out there, if the soldiers try to come in and break down their barricades. they say they're there to stop
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the tanks. they're afraid the military could be used against them to break this whole revolution, killing. they have a good point, as you point out, a lot of these detentions, anderson, we're finding out are being conducted by the military police, plain clothed military police, the military that is supposed to be neutral in this political crisis. they are the ones that have been detaining journalists. amnesty international and human rights watch activists as well as a number of egyptian activists in the raid a couple days ago that took place, they are the ones that are carrying out a lot of these detentions. >> so, fouad, all of this talk about the military not taking sides, that's just not true? >> we really don't know what's happening inside egyptian military, and i don't think we will for a long time. i mean, this is best described as the black box of the regime. >> are these protesters right to hold on to the square?
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it seems to me if they do leave and the world turns away -- as soon as they leave the square, most of the world's attention turns away -- they can be picked off within by one. >> the protesters are known to the secret services, they have bet it all, and if indeed this regime survives, truly in a way deludes us that it has changed, reformed, amended its ways, most of these protesters are in great, great danger. i've been talking to several egyptian intellectuals this is now the most dangerous phase. for those who dared stand up to the regime, they surprised themselves, they surprised the regime. and the regime is not yet spent. we don't really know, there's a heavy dosage of repression, if need be, that could be applied to this conflict. as you said, as the world turns its attention, as people leave, as the story becomes somewhat tedious and familiar. >> as the pictures aren't as dramatic. >> absolutely. this is exactly what mubarak bet on all along.
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this is the ultimate great man strategy, this is his procedure. >> ben, is that what you hear from the protesters as well? how concerned are they? do they feel this is an extraordinarily dangerous time? >> well, the mood in the square is incredibly brilliant despite these concerns, there are concerned about how long they can keep this up. there's a very important development that's happened in the last few hours, a google executive who was detained by the intelligence here on the 28th was released. he came out and did an interview on dream tv, which is a private egyptian satellite channel. it was an incredibly emotional interview where he slammed the government for accusing the people in the square of being foreign agents, basically of being mercenaries on behalf of foreign forces. and -- >> ben, i want to play for our viewers some of that interview, and then have you comment about
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what the people are telling you about it. let's just play that. >> translator: i'm not a hero, i slept for 12 days, the heroes were in the streets. the heroes are the ones that went to the demonstrations. the heroes are the ones that sacrificed their lives. the heroes are the ones that were beaten. and the heroes are the ones that were arrested and exposed to dangers. i wasn't a hero. >> ben, what kind of reaction is that getting? >> incredible reaction, it's really earthshaking the sort of jolt it sent through egyptians. a lot of egyptians that were sitting on the sidelines sort of undecided about how to act, i'm hearing a lot of people who have not been to tahrir plan to go to tahrir tomorrow. many of the staff of cairo university say they're going to tahrir tomorrow. this has really reinvigorated the anti-mubarak movement. they have a figure who has come out and spoken, emotionally and convincingly about his
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convictions, his belief that what he's doing is for the good of egypt. because anderson, what we've heard so far from the government media is just really a pack of scandalous allegations against the protesters that they are agents of israel, hamas, hezbollah and the united states. a rather bizarre combination of supporters, you have to admit. he sort of swiped those away, and what we're seeing is a gradual sort of backlash against the official media that's been running this smear campaign. he really bit back at them, and i think we may see a difference as a result of his interview. >> so there are more people who could still come to the square and we're in a critical juncture? >> we go back to something you said a couple days ago from cairo, about people conquering fear. >> fear has been defeated. that's what a lot the protesters are saying, there's no turning back. >> the old egypt has been defeated. the old system of submission to the pharaohs, submission to the
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state. fear of the rulers -- >> the secret police are out there ready to hold on to power. >> that's exactly the contra revolution. the people you've seen, the people who want to bid farewell to the past, and the corruption and tyranny of the past have not been spent. these people own a country, the senior over, mubarak and the people around them. they do this cosmetic reform. someone leaves the national democratic party, then you put up someone who is a former -- a reformer. in fact, the fight is still on. and this regime hasn't yet understood it's moral defeat. this is really, it will have to somehow try to make up for its moral defeat for its cultural defeat with simply the force of arms. >> professor ajami, appreciate you being on as well. ben wedeman as well, and ivan
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watson, stay safe. i know the pictures are not as dramatic as they were a few days ago. that doesn't matter. what is happening is still as dramatic. what is happening is still as important. it may be more dangerous right now than it was when molotov cocktails were being hurled in front of the world's media. we cannot turn away from what is happening now, the battle continues, the fight rages on. raw brutality without any explanation. we have an example of it, egyptian police gunning down a protester captured on camera. a lot of people killed, their stories not told. the pictures will not be seen. this is one person being killed. we investigate the video. we're going to take you to the spot where it happened. and tell you what we have learned about it. has the obama administration had a consistent message on egypt? do they have one now? we'll take a look at that. but first, let's check in with isha sesay who's following some other stories. >> thank you, anderson, good to have you back. julian assange was back in a london courtroom today, this time for an extradition hearing. when we come back, i'll explain why his lawyers are arguing
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assange is at risk of execution if he's extradited to sweden.
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welcome back to our continuing coverage of what is
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happening in egypt right now. a lot of people have died who did not have to die. this may be the most dangerous phase for anti-mubarak protesters. it's very possible more people will die in the hours, days and weeks ahead. a lot of people have disappeared, been taken into custody, and we don't know about their whereabouts or what's happening to them. i want to show you some video of one person -- we know what happened to this person, because this person was shot to death by egyptian authorities and it was videotaped, and that videotape was put online. we asked nic robertson to go and investigate what we can find out about the incident around this. this is one person's story. again, so many people have died and disappeared. and their stories may never be told. this is one person's story. we want to warn you the video is disturbing to see. we're not going to show you the moment this person was killed. we'll show you the moments before and the immediate moments afterward. nic robertson reports. >> reporter: it is 2:28 in the afternoon, january 28th.
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this man is walking to his death. the video went viral but we wanted to know more. who was he? and who recorded his last moments? [ gunfire ] [ screaming ] >> we were like, what is he doing? he shouldn't be doing this. the situation doesn't look that good. >> reporter: speaking out for the first time, two young women who videoed the killing. they're afraid to be identified. >> he did nothing, was just -- >> he had nothing -- he was just like -- >> he had nothing in his hands. >> reporter: they showed me photographs they took from the same balcony. in the hour before the man is shot, the streets around their building become a battleground.
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rock throwing protesters facing off with police. >> these are the police. >> reporter: they have riot shields. >> he's here throwing the rocks. the protesters are throwing at. >> reporter: the policeman is bending down to pick up the rock? >> yes. >> reporter: that's the policeman with the tear gas? >> yes. >> reporter: the situation deteriorates, police arrive with rifles. he's pointing it at the protesters there. not long after the man begins his walk up the street. it appears on the videotape he's standing on one corner, and the gunman is literally just across the road. is that what -- >> yes. >> yes. >> reporter: so they were just -- what, a few yards away from him? >> yes. not that far.
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>> a few yards. >> the man shot him first, but it didn't get through him. but the second one, i think he zoomed in his face, because he was standing like that -- >> reporter: so the man who shot him, took very careful aim? >> yes, i'm sure. >> reporter: when we go to the same street corner today, it's still tense, so we use a tiny camera. this is where the man was standing when he was shot. the gunman -- our hidden camera breaks up as they count the paces across the road. about 12 paces away, about 12 yards away. he had clear line of sight, an unobstructed view of his target just over there. women tell me they hold president mubarak and the police responsible. they want justice for the man
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whose name they still don't know. >> i feel something to him, his family. i don't know, i just feel like i need to get back his rights. that's it. >> i would like -- >> for him and his family. >> he deserves it. he did nothing for it, so unfair. >> reporter: the neighbor videoed the body being carried away by other protesters. in the chaos, no record of where he went. >> this occurred in alexandria. nic, for our viewers watching, who don't understand the power the secret police have. just explain who these people are. secret police are the most
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feared in egypt. they don't show i.d., they can just take you and people disappear, and that still happens. >> reporter: we found symptoms of it today when we went into that apartment to visit those two young ladies, there were people coming up and asking our driver who were we? where were we going? they just hang out on the street corners and oversee everything that goes on. there's so many of them, they're the eyes and ears of the regime. it knows what's going on at any place and time, because there's so many. that was the experience we had on the street corner this morning visiting those young women. that's the experience the egyptians have all day every day, anderson. >> someone can be shot dead on the streets in allem andrea in this case or cairo or elsewhere in egypt or they can be taken by the secret police and simply disappear?
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>> and the family will have little recourse to getting them out. it can take days, weeks, sometimes even longer. people have been beaten in there. people have been killed as well, and when they've been released, the cases of abuse have been documented, and highlighted by international humanitarian organizations and journalists. in fact, some of those beaten and injured have been journalists. but it hasn't made a dent on the regime's attitude. intimidation is the easiest way to keep the population down. it's been working for them until now, anderson. >> and no change. vice president suleiman said he saw no reason to lift the emergency powers that have been in place since hosni mubarak took power 30 years ago. the secret police can virtually do whatever they want. coming up next, the politics of protests if egypt. and the role the united states is playing. what the white house is now saying about the situation, and how that message has been changing over the last several days.
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welcome back to continuing coverage of what's continuing to happen in cairo. if you missed the top of the program, dr. ajami said something very important. he said this may be the most dangerous time for the
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anti-mubarak protesters who had paid for that square, liberation square, paid for it with their blood, and that of their colleagues and friends. and are holding on to it tonight at this hour. the fear they have, is that the world is going to stop paying attention as so many reporters are leaving, and that people are just going to forget about what's going on. this is an extraordinarily dangerous time. the obama administration called on egypt's government to be more inclusive with its negotiation with opposition groups. at the top of the program we told you how mohammed el baradei met with nine opposition members. they were arrested right after he met with them. the state department says the talks are not broad based enough. and the members need to be invited to the table. el baradei was not invited, neither were others. egypt says one thing publicly but continue to do another thing publicly. while monumental changes have already occurred in egypt, more
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action needs to be taken by the government. >> the egyptian people will evaluate where we are in terms of the steps that are being taken in order to see the words that are spoken about meaningful change. actually result in some concrete action. i think that's what people are looking for, words are not enough. it's actions toward a meaningful change that the egyptian people are most looking for. >> and again, it bears repeating, as we said at the top of this program, there have been a lot of words from the egyptian government, a lot of them have been lies, based on their actions. there has been some confusion as to when the administration wants mubarak to step aside. on saturday, frank wisner said that mubarak must stay in office at least for now, in order to help bring about a smooth transition. the administration quickly
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backed away from that statement saying wisner was speaking for himself. robert gibbs said today, the egyptian people will decide when mubarak goes. david gergen is a cnn political analyst and former presidential adviser. and jill doherty is cnn's foreign affairs correspondent. david, what do you make of the obama administration's policy right now? there has been a lot of back and forth on it. >> at first they were surprised and i think they were wobbly, they weren't quite sure how to handle this. and then they seemed to move, after mubarak said, i'm not going to be standing for re-election, they seemed to issue a statement that supported the demonstrators. on its face, i thought it was an ambiguous statement, but it was interpreted by the white house and accepted by the demonstrators as a strong pro demonstrator statement. and then the egyptian government got angry and they got a lot of messages from other nations like jordan and saudi arabia, saying, wait a minute don't walk away from mubarak so fast. in the last few days, they've been much more -- instead of
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emphasizing speed, they've been emphasizing an orderly transition. anderson, i'm glad you're back and i'm really glad you're keeping attention on this. and after watching your show tonight, i think anyone would be naturally sort of thinking, wait a minute, isn't the obama administration being way too cautious in light of all this lying, this repression, this brutality? why aren't they on the rooftops denouncing and demanding mubarak go right away, this brutal regime? i would urge a little caution on that point. first of all, you know, barack obama, hillary clinton i think have strong credentials as caring about human rights. they're as horrified by what you've been reporting tonight as you are and all the rest of us are. and yet they get a lot of other information about what might happen, and they're taking this i think with -- their caution in this, they deserve the benefit of the doubt in my view, they're
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dealing with a situation that is quite volatile, it could go a lot of different ways. i would urge, even though this is horrifying, they deserve some benefit of the doubt for the next few days. >> clearly american interests are not the same as the international people. it sounded like the state department took a more critical tone on the opposition negotiations with the regime today, didn't they? >> well, yeah, basically, they were critical of vice president suleiman saying, these talks are going on, and they've been saying that's a good idea, that's wonderful, keep going. but today, there was a new tone when p.j. crowley said, they're not inclusiveness, there are some people that should be included in that. and he actually said that the opposition should test the government for its seriousness. is it serious enough? and they're going to be watching this. i think, anderson, there's one fear that they have here. in a repressive regime, when it begins to fall, there's still ways that people can gain the
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system. there's a lot at stake, there are a lot of people with huge amounts of money and huge amounts of power. and so they can talk a good game, but are they actually going to do something? that's the worry about it where the situation hasn't really coalesced. >> right. >> so that's one of the dangers -- >> and obviously, concerns like the muslim brotherhood, which has organized and has organization on the ground is in an advanced state of organization than other there really aren't democratic organizations. and in a vacuum, they may be able to rise, that's a concern to a lot of folks. of the opposition figures like el baradei, even though they may not personally like omar suleiman, even at the are saying he has to have a role in the government, he should be one of three people leading the country. there should be a military role as well. even opposition figures are saying, the military has to be involved here, and members of the former regime likely have to be involved as well in any kind of transition.
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>> el baradei, i think, i admire him for what he did with the international atomic energy agency. i think he's right about that. i do hope the time comes, anderson, when he can sit down with suleiman. there have been reports out that the government tried to get him to come in and talk, and he said, i'm not talking until mubarak goes. and i do think the opposition has to be willing to sit down and talk to, even as the united states puts enormous pressure on the government behind the scenes to call off this repression and respect human rights. i think they need to be very tough about that. but i would just urge you that in their public statements, i think they ought to be fairly cautious and quiet, and not -- we have to have around affirmation that ultimately this is going to be a democratic and free regime. how we get there is extraordinarily difficult. >> i appreciate both your perspectives. tonight we're following other stories. isha sesay has the stories.
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protesters tonight on hearings outside arizona on controversial legislation aimed at illegal immigrants. two separate bills were denied u.s. citizenship to children born to parents in this country illegally. supporters say the ultimate goal is to challenge the 14th amendment, which guarantees citizenship to anyone born on american soil. they want the supreme court to reexamine that amendment. in london today, an extradition hearing was held for julian assange, the founder of wikileaks. sweden wants to question him about sexual abuse allegations. assange's lawyers are arguing that sweden could turn him over to the united states, where he could face possible espionage charges, and the risk of execution for leaking thousands of u.s. government documents. astronaut mark kelley resumed training at nasa today, preparing to command the shuttle "endeavor's" april flight. he decided to go forward with the mission because his wife who
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was shot and seriously wounded in tucson is making substantial progress in her recovery. he tweeted this photo today and deliberately posted it upside down. if you watched the super bowl last night, you are part of history. nielson research says 111 million viewers tuned in making it the most watched television program ever in the u.s. the old record holder was last year's super bowl game. a lot of people to watch the black eyed peas and christina aguilera, and very quickly forget those performances. >> yeah, i heard. i actually didn't watch that, i have a headache, i haven't been watching stuff. just ahead, we're going to talk to one of the young protesters in liberation square, you may recognize him as a young actor from "the kite runner." [ female announcer ] enjoy a complete seafood dinner for two
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i want to introduce you to one of the protesters that have been set up in liberation square for days, his name is khalid abdalla. he starred in "the kite runner" in 2007. take a look.
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♪ >> abdalla has been making a movie in cairo for the last few years, he's been in the middle of the protests since the end of january. he's seen it all in liberation square, including the battle on wednesday. it's important for him to continue to be there. i spoke to him a short time ago via skype. how are you and how are the other protesters holding up? >> i'm well. and i think the process is holding up very well. the last couple of days, really, people have managed, i think on both sides to kind of catch their breath. and the movement certainly has lots of strength in it. and something that's been happening over the last couple days, people from outside the square who have never been before some of whom have been moved by hosni mubarak's speech have now started to come to the square for the first time.
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>> since i've been back, i've had people ask me, they proved their point why don't they leave the square? i've tried to explain, i'd like you to talk to this a little more, if you think this is true. the protesters i talked to before i left were literally concerned for their lives if they left the square. if they leave the square and world attention goes away, that the secret police, the intelligence apparatus is still in place, still taking people and could pick them off one by one when they return to their homes. >> yeah, absolutely. that is the symbol of this movement, of this revolution, and people feel that keeping it is extremely important. they're also aware, exactly as you say, that if they leave without their demands being met. there's a very high chance of people being taken by the secret police, of them being a whole
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series of -- of their being a period of revenge. >> also, the vice president now of the country, first vice president that mubarak has had, has not lifted the state of emergency that has been in effect for the entire time mubarak has been in office. and the vice president himself was head of the intelligence division. >> yeah, i mean -- there's no doubt about it, he's personally responsible. him and the prime minister are personally responsible for what happened last wednesday. i mean, it's a complete joke really, while they were saying they're interested in changing the country and doing all of those things, they were preparing -- i mean, almost as the speeches were being spoken. they were preparing to round people up, to attack them and kill them. and indeed i saw some of those people killed myself. i saw a guy who took a bullet to his head, had his brain seeping through his forehead. the people in the square will not forget what has happened, it will be a disaster for this country if hosni mubarak was removed and someone came in his
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place but all the police states remained as they were. >> besides the fact that they have arrested and tortured people without justification, i think what's important, the people in egypt are lying. on one hand they're saying the journalists are welcome, on the other hand they're rounding them up and beating them. we're not controlling these mobs that are attacking peaceful demonstrators. on the other hand as soon as they want it to stop, it stops. what can we do to stop these attacks. as soon as they wanted to, they sent in military who put up barbed wire. and lo and behold it all stopped. so the idea that they weren't in control of this and not calling the shots, seems to me a blatant lie. >> it's a complete lie. one of the advances, one of the good things that's coming out of
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the length of time people are being -- is that those lies are having time to be revealed while we're still there, which means our popular movement can grow. some of the lies reached the level of grotesquery. this one's a joke, in one of the papers they even had a picture of him in the paper and wrote, people in the square were protesters supporting mubarak, it's to the point of absolute ridiculousness. >> you're a famous actor in egypt. you've been in movies that have been seen around the world, you have a vested interest in frankly maintaining the order, you have a good career, you have a good life, you're able to travel. do you worry about talking like you have been about being in with the protesters? do you worry that as the world attention moves on somewhere else and these people stay in power, whether or not mubarak's in front of the cameras or not, that you could be targeted?
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>> well, i -- i don't care. i mean, i know why i'm here, and i know why i want to be here. i come from three generations that have been fighting for social reform and fiscal freedoms in this country. i feel there's a responsibility to my family to be here. i also know i'm here in a just cause. here we have the discourse of democracy, freedom, social justice, political reform being changed in the middle east for all of us, and i'm extremely proud to be here for those reasons. >> khalid abdalla, continue to stay safe, and we'll check back in with you. >> thank you very much. when we come back, the trial of two american hikers jailed in iran. the trial's begun, now on hold. the latest details from the courtroom and when it's going to continue. also tonight, something to make you smile.
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[ applause ] >> w.t.f., b.o.b. i'm all for inflight entertainment as long as it's optional. see, right now for instance, delta is showing the bounty hunter on some flights. if you want you can pay for the headphones and watch the movie. frankly i don't recommend it. again, the bounty hunter is optional. key point, jennifer aniston isn't actually walking up the aisle waking people up to shout romantic comedy in their faces. what's even worse is not just professional rappers, but professional flight attendants like this guy from southwest. ♪ we're going to talk to you ♪ so you might as well listen ♪ we're going to evacuate you ♪ if you don't want to we'll reseat you ♪ ♪ fasten your seat belt then put your trays up ♪ ♪ press your button and make
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injure seat raise ♪ ♪ thank you for listening >> my head is pounding. now, i know it's kind of cute. you notice how everyone now on a plane cannot resist the intercom? they sing, rhyme, tell cutesy jokes? i don't want to hear it. i'm paying to get from point a to point b. i'm paying for quiet. i love pilots and respect them tremendously. but i want them to fly the plane. i don't need to hear every detail about the wind speed in detroit. i don't drone on and on about the difficulties of my job, how my day was or my next few hours are going to be. i wish they wouldn't either, unless, of course, there are snakes on the plane. >> enough is enough. i have had it with these [ bleep ] snakes on the [ bleep ] plane. >> if there are snakes on the plane, can you totally wake me up, pilot. let's cool it with the unnecessary chatter. i'm sending out the s.o.s. for
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